Postmodern Pakistan

The Karachi Creek Marina - under construction now and rising fast!
Pakistan is such an absolutely amazing place. If you put that copy of Newsweek down for a moment and think what we’ve built in the last 60 years, I think rationality would require you to be close to awe-struck. Today we are a country on the verge of ascent into globally acknowledged greatness. We were born under circumstances that were supposed to lead to our demise inside of 12 months, according to the Nehru/Mountbatten calculus. Not only are we still around, we are 170 million strong, with consistently increasing GDP, a resilient economy, amazingly intelligent people, brilliant businesspeople and an ever-increasing global role.
Yes, we have our problems, but these are absolutely nothing compared to what we have already surmounted and what we are about to achieve. Let me break it down like so: what are our problems today? Or let me ask this another way, what if we achieved the following:
1) 100% literacy, up from the current 50-60% levels
2) Completely indigenous power production for 100+% of our needs
3) Reduction in population growth to 1.2%, with further annual reductions from there on
4) Control over fringe nihilist elements let loose in our society by X, Y and Z.
5) Impenetrable external defences
6) An economy that produces a trade surplus
7) A quadrupling of GDP (and per capita income)
8 ) Strengthened institutions; parliament, military, judiciary, executive, law enforcement etc.
9) A culture of citizen contribution; better tax collection, more community involvement
10) Tier-1 infrastructure; roads, flyovers, underpasses, dams and more.
Is this a Utopian vision for Pakistan? Is the Newsweek caricature of Pakistan close to the truth? Before you rush to judgment, let’s take it one step at a time and think about it.
50% of the population in Pakistan is under 18. And according to UNICEF, 80% of children in Pakistan aged 5-9 years are enrolled in school. So, what does that mean for us just 10 years hence? The rate of literacy in Pakistan will grow tremendously. Since no literate parent keeps his/her children illiterate, what will it mean for us just 15-18 years hence? We will be nearing 100% literacy, and at least 100% of our school-age children will be enrolled. By the way, we can do this a lot quicker! There are excellent NGOs, government programs (e.g. Parha Likha Punjab) and other public/private efforts to accelerate this greatly. I have a lot of hope we’ll get to 100% in under 15 years. We are not doing badly.

Highway Interchange in Islamabad, Pakistan
Over the last couple of years energy consumption has outpaced production. This has happened due to multiple reasons. Much of our electricity is produced by hydel means and water has been an issue over the last 2 years. The cost of oil had risen sharply and oil powered generation had to be reduced. Finally, during the past 10 years, our per capita incomes have risen drastically and with that, we’ve bought ACs, fridges, consumer electronics, computers… our per-person energy consumption has increased drastically. From some stats I have seen, in 2007 alone about a quarter million AC units made in Pakistan were sold domestically. With each unit averaging 1 ton, consuming 5 amps x 240 volts (1.2 Kw), we are talking about a net addition of 250MW consumption just due to ACs sold in that one year. In general, we’ve added Gigawatts to our consumption totals, while our population has grown at about 1.94%, which is way too high. We’ve had tremendous demand side pressures with supply side weakness (oil, water etc.) leading to 18 months of power-related difficulties. But many have looked at this as a permanent state. It is not. The increase in per-capita demand has slowed as a market under served with consumer electronics has caught up to a large degree. Simultaneously, significant supply in the form of Thar Coal, Chashma, Bhasha-Daimer dam, Thermal projects and alternate energy is coming online. By all estimates, energy demand/supply should net-out within the next 12-18 months. It has already improved from the situation 12 months ago.
Let’s come to population. And let’s treat it quantitatively. In 2003, we were growing at over 2%. By end 2008, we were down to 1.8%. The efficacy of population reduction programs has increased, and undoubtedly, their outreach has been extended. The Punjab launched an excellent lady health worker program along with strong radio, TV and print ads. These programs will not see instant success, but even at the current rate, within the next 15 years, we will be down to about 1.2% growth. This means that population in Pakistan will not quite double. Ever. Even if we just keep progressing at the current rate with no improvement in success due to increased healthcare outreach, increased literacy, increasing per-capita incomes, even then, we will start to shrink around the time we hit 300-310M people. Now, that sounds large, but think of the following. India is 3 times larger than Pakistan in land mass. It has about 7.5 times our population, so their density is about 2.5 times ours. In other words, decades into the future when Pakistan’s population peaks, our population density will be about 75% of what India’s is today. Think about that. Let’s worry about our population’s growth rate today, let’s control it, but let’s not be chicken little please.
Control over nihilist elements is going to happen. The fact of the matter is that the population of FATA is in total, about 1.5-2% of Pakistan’s population. Of the people who live in FATA, perhaps – and this requires some stretching of the imagination – 1-2% are foreigners (Uzbeks, Arabs etc.) and extremists. These are the ‘bad guys’. Their numbers do not allow them to “take control”. They definitely have significant nuisance value though. I don’t want to get into whether the Swat deal was good or bad, whether the pictures of TTP terrorists being received in Government buildings in Afghanistan and India are true and all that. All I can tell you is that the math doesn’t support the hysteria. This is not an existential issue, though it is a confidence-in-government issue. It needs to be resolved and I think we will find that Gen. Kayani has significant surprises up his sleeve over the next year-18 months. Change is in the air.

The Pakistani JF-17 4.5 Gen Fighter
External defences: I want to tell you that we are already there. We are a country that builds its own Fighter Aircraft. Its own Ballistic Missiles. Its own Cruise Missiles. Its own Tanks. Its own APCs. Its own Submarines. It’s own Frigates. Its own UAVs. And, of course, its own nuclear weapons. And every day all the above get stronger and grow more potent. Bottom line, there is no conceivable external threat faced by us today that could challenge our existence without having its own put out of commission. MAD is definitely in play. Please think for a moment where we were in 1947. We had a few thousand .303 rifles, barely functional jeeps and a handful of lightly armed WW-II prop driven planes. The division of forces and monies agreed to between Pakistan and India was never honoured. We never received what was due to us, and had a war imposed on us in 1948 in that state of unpreparedness. Some people thought it would be a rout, but it wasn’t. If our existence was ever threatened it was then, but we triumphed. Compare where we stand today. Awe some. In the true sense of the word.
An economy that produces trade surpluses: the very worst that we have ever done is a $20.7BN trade deficit (2008), mostly due to $150 crude. Within one year, with significant reduction not only in oil prices but also in unnecessary imports, we have arrested this quite sharply and with growth in exports, such as defence (tripled to $300M – expected to hit $1BN within the next 5 years with JF-17 sales), software and core areas such as textiles, there is reason to hope this will be brought down further. The State Bank’s usually conservative quarterly report addresses this in a very positive way. Efforts like the first phase (1 Gigawatt) of the Thar Coal project and the $5B Khalifa Refinery will also significantly decrease our energy import bill, thus impacting the deficit positively.
Pakistan’s GDP doubled in the last 10 years. Barring the brakes the global slowdown has put on every economy around the planet, it is not unrealistic to expect 6-7% growth rates for Pakistan going forward. This means our GDP will quadruple in about 20 years. Our population would not have kept pace, therefore, our per capita income will be somewhere between 250-350% of where it stands today. Within 10-14 years, this will allow the population currently living below the poverty line to rise above it. Current estimates put 24% of the population under the poverty line, but as the chart shows, that percentage has fallen about 16% from 2001 to 2009.
If the political happenings of the recent past are any indication, not only has the judiciary been strengthened, so too has the parliament. And there appears to be a developing consensus between the Army, Parliament, Judiciary and Executive on how best to keep things straight. The political temperature dropped significantly because arguably for the first time in Pakistan’s history, peaceful mass protests resulted in change at the highest levels. Without violence. This is significant and now that it has happened, there is no turning back.
In order to build Pakistan, we all have to contribute. Our time, money and energy. At the grassroots level, tax collection is improving drastically in Pakistan. I can personally vouch for the fact that tax returns are more efficient and automated now than ever before. It’s actually relatively easy to e-file taxes. All these are innovations that have resulted from the past decade. Withholding collections apply to a far larger number of working people than before. Systems are now in place, including NADRA and bank-run databases, that can help the Federal Government collect taxes effectively. Despite the critics who may find 100 faults with where we are, no one can contest that the improvement has been tremendous and quite rapid. It is continuing.

PACE Mall and Hyatt Hotel complex under construction close to Lahore's International Airport
Coming to my personal favourite, Tier-1 infrastructure. This too is an area that has seen absolutely tremendous improvement in the last 5-10 years. So much is being done in Pakistan – so much construction, so much building – that it is hard for me to list here. There are actually entire websites devoted to tracking projects worth billions and billions of USD$ that are in progress in Pakistan at any given moment. We started off with the Lahore-Isl Motorway. It took us 45 years to get to that level. And in the next 10, we exceeded Akbar’s penchant for building! The Sindh-Baluchistan Coastal Highway, a brand new port city in Gwadar, a new Airport in Lahore, international airport at Sialkot, two new ones being built in Islamabad (Pakistan’s largest) and Gwadar. Multiple dams are under construction, the M2 Motorway now connects with M1, so Lahore-Peshawar is an end to end six-lane super-highway. That network was also extended to Sargodha and Faisalabad (complete), from Karachi to Hyderabad (expansion), and now the highway network is shadowing the old Grand Trunk road, snaking down into Multan. We’ve also widened and upgraded the world’s highest highway, the Karakoram Friendship Highway and are building rail links through the length of Pakistan (Gwadar to China).
The number of hotels under construction in Pakistan will more than quadruple the number of 5-star rooms in the country; Hyatt in Lahore, another in Islamabad, Intercontinental in Islamabad, 7-star Centaurus in Islamabad etc. etc. The Sheikh Zayed complex under construction in Lahore will be completed in the next 3-4 years and will be the highest building in South Asia. On a clear day you will be able to see the Golden Temple from its observation deck. The neighbouring Software Park Tower, to be completed in the next 4-5 months, is a technological marvel. Lahore’s under construction Ring Road will put an almost 80km highway loop all around the city, making distant parts readily accessible, connecting the new housing societies and DHA (Defence Housing Authority) Phases to the older parts of the city. Just in Lahore alone, there will be a near doubling of modern housing capacity in the next decade with Defence Phase 6, 7, 8 and 9, Lake City (10,000 homes) and a plethora of others.
Phew. That took quite some effort. But I hope it was worth it.
The net-net of all of the above is that Pakistan is at the cusp of exponential infrastructural improvement and development. We will transform our country into an even more amazing and wonderful place in the next 10-20 years. We will see continuous improvement in all these areas and more, through the next 2 decades. By 2030 you will see Pakistan emerge as a very significant global power, inshaAllah. It’s all in the numbers and it’s going to happen. Damn the naysayers.


March 25th, 2009 at 4:52 am
yes! damn them! great article. I think we are Pakistanis are very critical of ourselves and impatient to get to level of developed countries, in a way, that helps us because we keep pushing out standards higher.
NADRA also has one of the largest, most well documented databases in the developing world and we have exported this software to multiple countries. I have never seem that mentioned in Newsweek. Jauhar Joshanda did make the Time magazine product of the year in 2008 (http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1734666_1734664_1734656,00.html) .
So we export products as vast as amazing large enterprise software, to herbal tonics to control flu, to textiles that are sold in every major US retail store. There are also ventures to setup anti-cancer drugs pharma factories in the outskirts of Lahore now.
Another country that never got much of the benefit of “western” media sources is China,about 10-15 years ago, and the same with Malaysia. Both are super growth economies. We are edging to that, despite our problems that are shown by certain publications to be unsurmountable. Then again, they have been saying since 1947 that we wont be around 6 months later. They’re probably drinking Joshanda while writing that too maybe, who knows
In today’s world, screw what newsweek says, and start looking at rss feeds of blogs, videos and photos posted by real people on the ground everyday. thats the reality, not what those in ivory towers think!!
March 25th, 2009 at 5:04 am
Couldn’t agree with you more. The Jauhar Joshanda story is pretty cool. Didn’t know about that.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:30 am
This is indeed a good piece. I will be cross-posting it for Pak Tea House
cheers
Raza
March 25th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
corruption in pakistani state is a huge problem. we cannot move forward without transparency. there are certainly positive aspects of pakistan. however, the threat posed by violence and state corruption are existential in nature.
cheers
March 25th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Thank you for your response.Corruption is a problem in Pakistan, as it is in South Korea with their Chaebols that literally run the government and control the economy. If you think South Korea hasn’t progressed, well, then, I can’t say much…
Corruption is also a problem in the US where AIG is taking away $160M in bonuses, CEOs are being caught left-right and center, Madoff is running off with $60BN, and Enron seems like a walk in the park. All the corruption that has happened in Pakistan since 1947 doesn’t equal the Madoff scam alone.
Coming to Pakistan, we progressed over the last 10 years across all economic indicators. Was the society suddenly wiped clean of corruption? No. But the Steel Mills case was filed in court, the SC overturned the privatization. That lead to a conflict with the CJ. And 2 years hence, the CJ triumphed. Let’s give credit where credit is due.
Yes, corruption in Pk needs to be brought down further, however there are no longer the 22 families who control everything, and large questionable incidents like the Steel Mills case get challenged and fixed. And all the while we have been progressing. Your statement that “we cannot progress” is absolutely untrue and unrealistic. It’s all relative. Corruption exists in every country and every society. When we see a problem in Pakistan we should not magnify it by a factor of 1,000,000 and become ludicrously unrealistic.
“State corruption”?
As far as violence, the Al-qaeda operatives attracted to our country post 9/11, due to what is happening in Afghanistan, need to be found and killed. Period. They cannot pose an existential threat to Pakistan. At the same time, the infrastructure and per-capita incomes in FATA needs to be drastically improved so that those who are living there equally participate in Pakistan’s progress and forward momentum.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
I really like that bit about catching the Al Qaeda guys and wiping them out. They bring a bad name to Muslims everywhere. Terrorists have no religion.
If Pakistan prospers, and affluent Pakistan will bode well for peace in the region. Youngsters need to wield pens and not Kalashmikovs
March 25th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
sorry for the typo. it is kalashnikovs.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
This article was also posted on Pak Tea House, and there’s been some discussion there. Some comments I want to address:
yasserlatifhamdani
March 25, 2009 at 2:16 pm
It is not an absolutely amazing place… but it is not what people around the world
imagine it to be either.
@yasserlatifhamdani: yes, we can agree that it is certainly not what the newsweek audience around the world might imagine it to be. However, it is an absolutely amazing place. Forget the content of the article. Name another country that has peaks over
30,00028,000 feet, a beautiful warm water coast, plateaus, lush green plains and huge deserts. Of course none of this amazing to 1) people with an agenda and 2) people who love to focus on the negatives. And I don’t mean you. I appreciate the comment you made about it being ‘home’.Monkey said, “GDP ratios don’t really count for much because there is no system for
the trickle-down effect to take place (which is precisely where the western theory
of development Modernisation Theory failed badly). All this is great to hear, but
really who is it helping?” (extract”
I think I pointed to the poverty line trend and referred to the long term decrease in the percentage population under the line. Isn’t that about as grass-roots as it gets? Also, the high school enrollment amongst 5-9 year olds… how is that to be explained? The rich are a small fraction, the numbers don’t add up unless you accept that children of illiterate parents, poor parents etc. are the ones who are in school. That is a good thing.
Milind Kher
March 25, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Raza,
When you have all the above, why has it not been showcased to the world?
@Milind: I’ll take a shot at the answer even though you didn’t ask me… first, what is the “world”? There is no one body of people that can be realistically referred to as the ‘world’ for the purposes this discussion. If the governments in the West didn’t think that Pakistan was incredibly important and that Pakistan’s government had the potential of controlling issues in the region, you wouldn’t have alliances, you would have enmity. You won’t see a moderate perspective in Indian media because, frankly, most of it is incredibly biased. Musharraf did a stellar job of addressing the issues raised at the India Today forum. At a gathering of so called intellectuals, the questions asked were of the variety, “Lahore Amritsar waliya’n noun day diyo, assi theek kar laa’n gay”. Whatever!! Re most of the Indian media, unfortunately, that’s just the way it is. Ask Arundati Roy, though, and she might have a slightly different perspective. Many thoughtful western publications do present a more balanced story (BBC did a great documentary on Karachi), and journalists like George (or George ka Pakistan fame) have highlighted the positives, but what gets lapped up is a picture which fits in with preconceived notions held by the audience that represents the “lowest common denominator”. Islam is bad. Islam is violent. A country with ’stan at the end (The ’stans, a new homogeneous term courtesy the mainstream press!!!) must be dangerous. Pakistan is both a ’stan and Islamic. How can peaceful things happen there? OMG! My world view comes crashing down if I have to reconcile such polar opposites!!
However, mainstream media is thankfully dying a horrid death. It’s started with newspapers (as you can see, most US newspapers are either shutting down, moving to the internet, or in the case of the NYT, drastically downsizing), but it’s going to get to cable news too. This creates an opportunity for alternate sources of news more tied to grassroots reality to get infront of the global audience. TechLahore, Pakpositive, Pashanews.org, ITtazee, Urban.pk and dozens of other news sites focus on what’s really happening in Pakistan. We’re getting the word out. But it’s going to take time…
Anwar
March 25, 2009 at 1:41 pm
This is hyper optimism and delusional at best. If the quality of life of an ordinary
person who is not speeding on overpasses or residing in 5 star hotels is not improved
then who are we catering to?
Yes Sir, all these numbers are made up. The world is ending. The sky is falling. Please revel in your pessimism and try to avoid the fire and brimstone raining down. Make sure you buy an umbrella not made in Pakistan, because you know, Pakistani umbrellas are no good at keeping you safe from fire and brimstone. Bad quality stuff, this.
Seriously, what part of poverty reduction, parha likha punjab, increasing rates of literacy, better energy production, increasing per-capita income etc. do you not understand? Summun bukmun fahum la yarjioon???
March 25th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Tech,
Thanks a lot for all those answers. I am not only impressed, but touched that you took the time and pain to explain.
Talking of Islam, why does the Non Muslim media ignore the Sufi, or the mainstream Sunni/Shia shades of Islam. I wonder why it only picks up the barbaric Kharji/Azraqi distortion practiced by the Taliban? Probably makes good copy.
You people are good. Why don’t you contribute to indianmuslims.in? The Indian Muslims will get a perspective on how you think. It will be a good meeting of minds.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Thanks for this post, I am interested in.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Few facts and thoughts:
1>According to the author “”And according to UNICEF, 80% of children in Pakistan aged 5-9 years are enrolled in schoolSo, what does that mean for us just 10 years hence? The rate of literacy in Pakistan will grow tremendously.””””
Not by UNICEF……..but by some other organisation.
No guarantee that all of these guys will CONTINUE education. DROP OUT rate is high in S.Asia.
In India…in the same age group the number is ABOUT 96%.
All these figures are quite MEANINGLESS.
According to figures quoted by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO), almost 50 million adults in Pakistan are illiterate, while the DROPOUT RATE in primary schools is the HIGHEST IN THE WORLD at 50 percent,” said the report.
2>Author writes:
“”””””We are a country that builds its own Fighter Aircraft. Its own Ballistic Missiles. Its own Cruise Missiles. Its own Tanks.””””””””
NONSENSE.
Till today Pakistanis have been able to get ONLY 37 PATENTS……IN THE LAST 60 YEARS.
30 of those Patents came in the LAST 15 years. Meaning………2 patents per year.
Can we expect it to build its planes,missiles??
3>””””a brand new port city in Gwadar”””””
“”http://karachikhatmal.blogspot.com/200901/gwadar-unfulfilled-promise.html””
WATCH the video.
Having said all these…..some developmental work have definitely taken place.
Plz LIVE in reality
March 25th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Hi Tech,
Thank you for addressing that point I made on PTH. Well, I am very skeptical of the stats you have used. Food inflation has been immense the past one year and obviously the ones most hard-hit were the poor. As for school enrollment, I would look at that in two parts: 1) How many people actually go on to pursue education after primary school? and 2) What is the level of education that they are recieving?
Poverty is a very tricky concept. GDP numbers and poverty lines do not project a very accurate picture. My two cents.
But nevertheless, Pakistan rocks!!
March 25th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Also, there has a HUGE gap between the upper socioeconomic classes and the lower socioeconomic classes. The inequality in every sphere of society is apparent…from education to health to justice to access to basic amenities. Quoting from your article only, I don’t see you mentioning low-cost housing anywhere. All these Lake City etc and five star hotels, they do not cater to the lower, lower-middle and middle classes who make the mass of the population.
So long as we continue to only look at the needs of those in power, our GDP figures will remain meaningless.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
justin, you are a liar with an agenda. You are contradicting facts, you liar. You are lying about 37 patents. Pakistanis have won hundreds of patents but as with most asian companies, the protection is obtained via a US entity. If you search for Pakistani names you will find a much larger number of patents than the 37 you are claiming, you liar.
don’t give a rat’s ass about your comments when you clearly have a negative agenda, you liar.
there is a PC at Gwadar, you liar, a new port over there, you liar, several housing developments, you liar, improvement to the existing airport, you liar, and a new one under construction, you liar. I am from Karachi and I have been on Coastal highway.
get the #@$# out of here
March 25th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
http://www.uspto.gov/o/taf/cst_all.htm
Scroll down and see for yourself.
Why dont you show me YOUR LIST??
March 26th, 2009 at 12:48 am
Monkey, you may not know that Lake City has 5 marla houses available on easy financing. The middle class families – earning under 100k a month – can purchase these. Lake City was just one example. In that area of Lahore there are a dozen new schemes, including LDA, Bahria, NFC Phase I and II (also with 5 marla houses), etc. etc.
In Islamabad, the Bahria schemes are providing homes at very reasonable rates (5, 10 marla). Roughly speaking, for every 10lacs spent towards a house, you need to pay about 10-12k/mo in financing. So a 20lac 5 marla home costs around 25-30k per month. A 5 marla plot in Bahria is advertised at 10lac but is available on the market for less. A nicely constructed town home puts the overall price around 20-25lacs.
Please look into some of these changes in order to get a better sense for what actually HAS improved in Pakistan over the past decade.
Do you think the 100s of thousands of employees hired by huge cell phone companies (China Mobile, Telenor, Ufone, Mobilink and Warid) come from wealthy backgrounds? They are 99% lower middle and middle class people. What about the new banks? What about the 50+ TV channels? What about the cable companies like Worldcall? What about the dozens of new newspapers that have opened up? The significant number of new radio stations (we went from Radio Pakistan to a large number of considerably ‘hip’ stations in a few years) What about software companies? Do they hire millionaires?
These are all new avenues of employment providing decent livelihoods and decent benefits to large numbers of lower middle/middle class people in Pakistan.
Pakistan Zindabad!
March 26th, 2009 at 5:18 am
No, we can. While i cannot condone corruption, it is not a barrier. If the Wall street can be as corrupt as shown, and China, india and south korea, vietnam, are all rampant with corruption, it still hasnt slowed them down. its the nature of money and organizational logic. once you start on a path its very difficult to get off it..and if thats a path to infrastructure and progress, corruption or not, you’ll keep going….check out transparency international’s numbers…and cross relate those to countries with hyper growth….
March 26th, 2009 at 6:35 am
Tech Lahore,
I stilll think that your article seemed too oriented towards what has changed from the upper-middle/upper classes (and I stick to that despite all the prices you have quoted – for me, at least, 25-30k per month does not mean cheap housing…it does not cater to people on the edge of the poverty line who don’t earn even half of what these houses cost per month.)
I don’t think you are understanding where I am coming from. I do not have an agenda – except looking at Pakistan’s problems from the [what I feel is the] correct perspective so that long-term solutions can be found for them. I am not a pessimist and I do not get a high from criticising for no reason. I am not saying that no improvement has happened, all I am saying is that we are far from where your article seems to be putting us. There is no point is cheering “Shining Pakistan” when we are still plagued with many more problems that you have failed to mention here but obviously we do not lack the ability or the motivation (not anymore at least)…what about sanitation, for example? Access to potable water? Justice (rape, child abuse, Qabza group)? Bonded labour? Street crime? Just because a large number of the population can afford computers now than in 1947 does not mean that there isn’t an even larger number that isn’t still linving under abhorrent conditions – and this is the segment that we need to talk about when we discuss development. It doesn’t matter in the long-run how many tall buildings we have, what matters is how many people have actually been able to climb up the social ladder.
The guys you are mentioning for World Call and cellphone companies etc….well I am sure that the person who handles my ATM inquiries has at least an intermediate degree. That isn’t something that many (and ideally it should be all) lower-income Pakistanis can boast to have. There is something called chronic poverty: poverty that is transmitted from generation to generation. And Pakistan is fast moving towards that trend. I am not saying they ‘hire millionaires’ (which shows that you are completely unclear about my position), what I am saying is that the inequality of opportunities is huge. Taking Punjab’s example, can you tell me how much of lower-income students are able to secure admission in the best private universities (LUMS, LSE, BNU) which is where the upper-middle/upper class children go and hence have a much better go at a comfortable life. The ‘hip’ radio stations that you are talking about…they are INUNDATED with A-Level kids with accents. Those that operate solely in Urdu (which definitely comes easier to the masses than English) are only 100, 101 and 103. Maybe one or two more. In Karachi, there’s 107 which is mostly mixed.
Try looking at HDI figures for Pakistan. Development is not just setting up new infrastructure and industries, there is a social aspect to it too which you have failed to accomodate in your article. Let’s call a spade a spade.
March 26th, 2009 at 9:18 am
@Tech Lahore: I want to put it simple; I love your blog not only because of techie updates I get from here, but more because of your optimism, your belief in Pakistan, your perspective of looking at things and your predictions (many of which do come true!). You might not know how much this matters to youth in Pakistan. Your rock! Pakistan zindabad!
March 26th, 2009 at 9:18 am
@Tech Lahore: I want to put it simple; I love your blog not only because of techie updates I get from here, but more because of your optimism, your belief in Pakistan, your perspective of looking at things and your predictions (many of which do come true!). You might not know how much this matters to youth in Pakistan. You rock! Pakistan zindabad!
March 26th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Well, thank you, Ali. That’s very kind of you to say.
Pakistanis are amazingly gifted people. If we infuse a little bit more optimism and a roll-up-your-sleeves, can-do attitude, we will literally move mountains. Search this blog for the keywords ‘pakistan progressing despite government’ – it has a couple of examples of how innovative Pakistanis are using the rapid progress in infrastructure and communication to build new kinds of businesses, and develop efficiencies where none existed prior.
March 26th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
tech lahore
Hats off to you!
After a lot of thinking, I couldn’t think of any other country on Earth to match your description: “Name another country that has peaks over 30,000 feet, a beautiful warm water coast, plateaus, lush green plains and huge deserts. ” How true. Which were those peaks over 30,000 feet again?
This single sentence sums up your superb article for me. I shall treasure it as an example.
March 26th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Appreciate your perspective. The examples I was giving were to illustrate new jobs that never existed before. Not one or two jobs, but hundreds of thousands of new, well paying jobs. Re radio, A’level kids with accents are the voices. Kids with no accents are everything else. Does everyone working at a cell phone franchise also have an intermediate degree? If so, that’s wonderful… clearly we have a lot of people obtaining intermediate degrees!
Yes, development has a social aspect, so let’s improve that too. From your interest in this area it appears you might be working for it already… phenomenal, if so! Thank you for helping to improve Pakistan. If not, please consider doing so – your understanding of the issues may help greatly.
Where we disagree slightly is your comment about cheering Pakistan… i can’t bring myself to using the ’s’ word in conjunction with Pakistan because that just triggers thoughts of a certain extremist party on the other side of the border. Anyway, there is lots to cheer about in Pakistan. Yes, the progress may not be completely balanced and not every $1 of net GDP addition may be distributed pro-rata across all income groups, but nonetheless, I cheer every new flyover, every new school, hotel, company… everything positive about Pakistan. I don’t just cheer though, I also DO. Obviously without the latter, the former is meaningless lip service. However it still beats, not cheering and not doing either…
March 26th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
My apologies. I should have said 28,000 feet! How clever of you to catch me there! The fact that you will treasure this means SO much to me. And the fact that you were able to reduce the entire article to a simple error of less than 2,000 feet, regarding the height of a mountain, speaks volumes of your broadmindedness and grasp of the overall picture.
Thank God you visited us from the .in TLD. If it was anything else I would have actually been surprised!! Wonderful! You keep that sarcastic hatred coming our way….
March 26th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
your adrenaline is good for cheering one up in the midst of the gloom.
As for the 2% ‘nihilists’ the thing to ponder over is that they are asserting themselves in the presence of the so well-equiped armed forces
March 26th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Wow
Just what the doctor ordered, next time some one says to me Pakistan is going no where I will have this link handy thanks
March 26th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Qazi sahib, and Iqbal sb, first of all, thank you.
Iqbal sb: the armed forces are well enough equipped that if this was a no-holds barred fight, all these nihilists could be wiped off the face of the planet. Believe it. The issue, of-course, is that we are not fighting a foreign war in a distant country as an expeditionary force that can withdraw at the end of the day. These satanists/nihilists have been injected into our midst by even greater satanists, and we have to deal with this problem more delicately. In military matters, delicacy usually translates into heavier use of intelligence assets and more time.
Putting it in perspective, this foreign-funded nihilism is just a temporary impediment in our journey towards an even more magnificent Pakistan. It will be overcome. A lot has already been done and a lot more will unfold in the next 12-18 months. These swines will not be able to hide for long, regardless of how many consulates are built across our borders to host/feed/fatten them. Their annihilation at the hands of Pakistan’s armed forces is going to happen. As they say, “It is written”. This country has a fabulous destiny, inshaAllah.
Pakistan Zindabad!
March 27th, 2009 at 5:56 am
Tech Lahore I read your article and various responses with interest. You are factually correct that based on the above statistics, Pakistan is certainly on the move and if such trends continue, then at some point in the future it is likely to become an affluent, technically advanced society.
In response to Milind Kher’s question you implied that the reason the World has not given Pakistan its due credit is the media bias against Pakistan. You also mentioned the bias of the Indian media against Pakistan and specifically quoted questions raised by Indians to Mr. Musharraf as an example.
All of these things demonstrate that you are an extremely intelligent individual and also very well read.
As I read your article I can not help notice the obvious pride you take (as you should) as a loyal Pakistani, at your nation’s achievements. I am afraid however that this same nationalistic fervor may leave you, knowingly or unknowingly, open to bias, which is obvious in the conclusions that you draw.
Let me explain:
1. You claim that it is because the Western media is biased against ‘stans’ and against Islam.
Yet you also acknowledge in the same post that the same West (and its media) reports that Pakistan an important regional country and the West seeks alliance with it. Perhaps then you can see a little contradiction in your claim.
I agree with you that unfortunately the media in the West has become biased after 9/11, but I think a much bigger reason why Pakistan is viewed so negatively (somewhat fearfully; I may add) is that the wrong kind of news coming out of Pakistan drowns out the steady stream of positive data. Surely you realize that 9/11 was viewed as an existential threat in our (your and mine) adopted homeland and its masterminds still hide in valleys of Pakistan. Not only that, from the pre 9/11 attack on CIA headquarter, to the most recent attacks in Mumbai; a large number of terrorists have used Pakistani soil to attack other countries. This in my view is a far important factor to the rest of the World than the 7-8% economic growth (excellent BTW) that Pakistan has posted in the recent years. Thus the media reports this fact much more loudly than the good news that you report.
2. You have titled your article post modern Pakistan. This may be true in the strictly technological context yet you must be aware, that technical and economic progress is far more dependant upon political and geopolitical context than the other way around. Here the article goes into a case of massive denial. Consider the following statement:
“I don’t want to get into whether the Swat deal was good or bad, whether the pictures of TTP terrorists being received in Government buildings in Afghanistan and India are true and all that”.
I do not wish any ill to the people and the state of Pakistan but surely one can not help but notice a major collective loss of a national will when a part of Pakistan is ceded to a group of armed militants who fight its armed forces, murder and terrorize its people. What victory is it if one hand a chief Justice in installed and on the other hand armed belligerents operate their own courts and issues a direct challenge the constitution of Pakistan.
This is a mortal threat to Pakistan’s sovereignty. A post modern state can not be built on Stone Age political principles. No matter who may, or may not be backing these people, as long as the sovereign Government of Pakistan accepts the authority of an extra constitutional force within its borders, all the progress made so far is meaningless and can be easily derailed. All investment can fly out all future contracts cancelled.
The reason I post this is not to attack your optimism. In fact a strong and prosperous Pakistan is what the World (and India) wants to see.
It is only when it appears that what is a dynamic and a successful country on one hand is also raising an entire generation of people, spoon fed on hate and intolerant of anybody different; within and without its borders that the World and Pakistan’s neighbors can not but help draw comparisons with another such upwardly mobile country that promised its people a lebensraum but instead almost brought about an Armageddon.
You are a very intelligent and a persuasive writer, and I have no doubt that you love Pakistan passionately. Your country needs people like you; not only take pride in all that is right with it but also speak up about that which is wrong with it before it is too late.
I apologize in advance if any of my words may have offended you. That was not my intent; if it appears as such it is solely due to my limitations as a writer. Best of Luck.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Typical self bashing mentality of Pakistani. The point of the article is that compared to where we were 60 years ago it is a tremondous acheivement.
Even with the hype of India, we are much better socially and economically. Unless you read the hype of India for outsourcing.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
If you read Newsweek with editors like Fared Zakaria you need Prozac. All the data index, reports, blogs are Propaganda war. But the maths mentioned in the article make sense. Think about 50% of 170 million population less than 18 years of age. In 20 years they will define the future and not the oldies in EU or baby boomers in US. The math is against the west and that is why center of power is shifting. The current meltdown is sign of the day break.
We have come a long way from 1947 and only by grace of God proved others wrong.
There are issues but the bottom line is that it is a success story by all accounts. So change the metality of the most crying nation and be positives.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Dude you can talk about all this from Indian eye, but the you can’t change the border and you can’t change the facts. Unless you show to us that you are not threat to us you won’t be able to sleep with peace. The problem with the shinning India mentality is that they think that they can wipe out Pakistan and be in peace but for a second we assume that you can do that with your new masters in west you can’t wipe out the mentality and the land.
Taking about the hate what about your generation who love to do genocide in Gujrat and Kashmir. You should celebrate more valentines day in India before taking about hate. Unless you change yourself thinks will also be too late from your side unless you move your region close to Antartica.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Gorki,
The world has already evolved into a global village. Barriers of time and space mean little. See the way the European Union has evolved.
With the mind blowing dene pool that we have intellectually in South Asia, we should be cooperating and building wealth rather than fighting wars.
Who benefits? Only the orchestrators and their motley crew.
March 28th, 2009 at 2:55 am
Milind, I think you may have misunderstood me. What can I say. If the famous moderate, Milind Kher also misunderstands me then my only response is this:
….
‘Et tu, Brute?’
Just kidding.
Perhaps you read too much in my post talking about the Pakistani state and its sovereignty. I do not disagree with you that the European model of a nation state developed in the aftermath of the Peace of Westphalia may soon become outdated. In fact, this is what I hope will happen in South Asia if we hope to see an end to mutual suspicion and mistrust and have a lasting peace.
My reference was to the fact that while progress on technical and economic indicators is welcome, it can continue in the long run only, and only if the society is run by the rule of law. As things stand in the World today, this rule of law can ONLY be provided by a sovereign nation; Pakistan in this case.
If this sovereign state abdicates its responsibility to a ‘non state actor’ (A term coined by Mr. Zardari among others) and looks the other way, then a continued economic growth becomes highly uncertain.
For simplicity sake, I only discussed this from an economic growth aspect although it does not mean that I ignore the moral aspect of the state’s responsibility of protecting its defenseless civilian population (an aspect that is infinitesimally more important). Other than this context, I agree that the World today is so interconnected that we have to think everything in a global way.
Amir, I am afraid that you have misunderstood my intention too. I admit that being a non Pakistani, I can not have the same viewpoint but what I said was never meant to be a comparison between India and Pakistan. Unfortunately, hateful ideology is not limited to any one country; you mention the ugly events of Gujarat and Kashmir. I can do one better and add to that list by mentioning the Babri Masjid riots, Delhi riots of 1984 and many other similar examples in India. I agree that India too needs to confront its extremists and hate mongers. No question. But that was not my point here.
The problem is that if the reasonable people in Pakistan choose to ignore the havoc wrecked upon their own hapless population by the likes of Taliban in the name of either ‘keeping an asset against India’ or worse, by justifying their atrocities by invoking the Indian Shiv Sainiks then every one is doomed.
Look at the headlines today. ‘Fifty killed by a suicide bomber’. How many more innocents need to die before the entire Pakistani nation will wake up to the fact that if the current state of affairs continue then not only will economic progress be derailed but their will be nothing left worth defending from India or from anyone else.
I believe that the Shiv Sainiks of India are another version of the Taliban, in fact they are their natural allies; each needs the other to thrive. In this battle, the moderates on both sides need to support each other, but intelligently. It is for this reason I feel we the moderates should get past the mutual mistrust and any temptation to score cheap shots at each other. The extremists need to be opposed not only by military means but also by building a strong and relentless public opinion against them. Since the Indian moderates can not politically oppose the Taliban, we need intelligent and committed people like Tech Lahore to confront the Taliban. Similarly people like Kher should do to the same to the Hindutva brigades on the other side. Only then can we sit back and hope for a lasting economic progress.
It is in this context I am sad to say that the Musharraf interview was a great example of a missed opportunity from the Indian side.
Like Milind Kher says, the barriers of time and space mean little. Like it or not, we all South Asians will sink or swim together.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:46 am
gorki, here’s the issue. you are using the headline you quoted as an indication of the fact that the effort against the nihilists is failing. you also brought in zardari’s quote regarding non-state actors indicating that that was an abdication of responsibility. the way i interpret the headline you quoted is not in isolation, but in reference to the headlines that came out some days prior and the one that came out today. specifically, the following:
Feb 16: 31 militants killed in Kurram strike
March 13: Local gov official reports 21 militants killed in strike
March 15: Missile strike kills 5 foreigners and militant leader
March 26: Missiles target two vehicles in Makeen stronghold of Baitullah Mehsud; 8 suspected foreigners, including Taliban, Qaeda operatives killed
March 28: Pakistan kills 12 Taliban militants
The pressure on Taliban is on and has been on for a while now. It takes one fanatic inserting himself into a crowd in a mosque in the tribal areas to create the headline you quoted. However, that doesn’t change the ground reality of the fact that we have had success against these nihilists and foreign extremists and that their desperation is causing them to create the headlines you cited. Also note that it is not possible to reconcile the list of headlines above with your implication regarding Pakistan’s ‘abdication’ of responsibility.
Please don’t imply that the headline you have quoted is a nihilist victory in any way, or that it indicates that the “enemy is at the gate”. These extremists are certainly operating in the tribal belt, they are certainly obtaining modern weapons from foreign sources, but they are also being eliminated rapidly and thus, their desperation is leading to these one-man suicide operations. We should do more preventive intelligence gathering, but obviously, perfect intelligence in these circumstances is not possible. But so what if we have a fight ahead of us? We will win this fight against the nihilists and those who prop them up. That writing is on the wall. In bold print.
March 28th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Techlahore, I am very happy that Pakistan has been winning the battle against nihilists. Indeed, all this suicide bombing results from desperation.
Now the fight against terrorists needs to be taken to its ultimate stage. Wipe them out. We want commerce and industry to flourish in this region.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Tech Lahore. Thanks for the reply. I think we may be talking about two different things. You mention that one headline does not mean we are losing the battle against the nihilists (your description).
Certainly in military terms, only the most naïve can imagine that each side will not sustain causalities. Of course there is a war going on and the enemy will get occasionally lucky. The loss of life is lamentable but not anything to despair about.
But that was never my point. When I wrote about the abdication of responsibility to ‘non state actors’ I was specifically referring to the Swat deal made by the government, which you had glossed over with the following words:
“I don’t want to get into whether the Swat deal was good or bad, whether the pictures of TTP terrorists being received in Government buildings in Afghanistan and India are true and all that”.
Swat deal; not good or bad?
Let us see. The deal was made between the representatives of the duly elected Government of a Pakistani Province on one hand and who else?
A group of armed militants who had been terrorizing the people of Swat, with driving them from their homes, shutting schools for Pakistani children; beheading those who stood in their way, and for weeks fought battles against the armed forces of the nation of Pakistan. They got away with all this, not by any democratic means or by the consent of the people but at the point of a gun! It is beside the point whether the deal is good or bad, whether Sharia law is better or not.
The modern state of Pakistan derives it legitimacy from its constitution. Its President, its Chief Justice and all its Armed forces swear an oath of loyalty to this sacred document. The fact that the constitution of Pakistan was made subordinate to the will of an armed group means that the state of Pakistan abdicated its responsibility to its people. Most civilized nations would consider this a surrender and high treason.
Don’t take me wrong. I do not mean Sharia is wrong. In fact the people of Pakistan have a perfectly legitimate right to ask for this as a law of the land. It can become enshrined in the constitution by legitimate means. But then it would be the legitimate law of the ENTIRE land, agreed upon by its people not forced at the point of a gun.
You see, many simple people in South Asia may not be able to understand the crucial concept of the due process, or the rule of law. But when well read individuals like you issue a neutral statement such as: ‘I do not want to get into the merits of the Swat deal’ etc. then you are, fudging the facts at the best.
It appears that you too accept the fact that the constitution of Pakistan and its duly elected officials are not much different than a few brigands (nihilists?) who make their rules as they see fit, at the point of a gun. My argument is that without the grantee of the protection from the state, material progress alone, even if available is a cold comfort for many people.
I am sure that as a successful businessman, you understand that even in purely economic terms, without the rule of law, without the supremacy of the constitutional means, a modern economy will be hard to sustain, new investments will be hard to come by and any material progress can never be for granted.
It is because of this reason I am afraid that all the military victories that you have listed so far; mean nothing for Pakistan.
These victories are nothing more than tribal victories, scored in a tribal warfare; a warfare in which the army is, without the legitimacy of the constitution, is but one more tribe, nothing more, nothing special.
March 28th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Gorki,
Today, the nihilists are armed to the teeth. Being constituted from the same elements that fought a successful war against the Russians, they are very well trained.
It is not easy to eliminate them. Let us remember that India also had a very difficult time fighting the Punjab terrorists and the militants in Kashmir. The Naxalites are yet not under control.
The only solution is for India and Pakistan to fight the terrorists on their respective soils, so that they have nowhere to hide.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
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March 29th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
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March 29th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
You MUST see Jawwad’s “A Middle Class Rejoinder” to the comments received on this post.
Jawwad (aka DesiBackToDesh) is the CEO of Alchemya Technologies in Karachi, a wonderful example of a successful, high-tech Pakistani company that is going from strength to strength.
http://alchemya.com/wordpress2/2009/03/29/myths-about-pakistan-%E2%80%93-a-rant-or-a-middle-class-rejoinder-one/
Cynics within Pakistan who keep wanting to pull everyone down are actually insulting the amazing success our brilliant protagonist, Jawwad, and innumerable others who come from a similar background, have had. Shut the hell up now and get back to work. And if you don’t want to work, at least stop spewing the negativity.
April 2nd, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I feel I need to respond to the examples of American corruption because they are not examples of state corruption, which is what rashid tayyab mentioned, and more importantly, do not support the point that you’re trying to make.
“AIG is taking away $160M in bonuses”
This is not really an example of corruption, state or otherwise. AIG is an insurance company that was rescued from bankruptcy by the American government. Since the government’s money is public money, the “scandal” was about whether AIG executives should receive their bonuses. Those bonuses had been promised in contract, so this wasn’t even a legal gray area. The hoopla that you heard about was whether the government should change the terms of the executive contracts. If it didn’t change them, it would be honoring legal contracts. If it did, it would be protecting American taxpayers.
“CEOs are being caught left-right and center”
Yes, they’re being caught, prosecuted, and convicted. They can’t bribe or threaten their way out.
“Madoff is running off with $60BN”
This is another example of someone being caught. He can’t escape, the government is going to prosecute him and imprison him for 100+ years (no exaggeration).
“Enron seems like a walk in the park”
Enron-type scandals are not common (if that’s what the “park” similie means). The Enron scandal created the biggest change in the history of American accounting laws (Sarbanes-Oxley). Also this, like all your examples, is not a case of American state corruption.
That’s not to say there is no American state corruption, but you should be careful to use substantive examples. I feel like, any time some criticism is leveled at Pakistan, the average Pakistani responds by citing a litany of seemingly similar weakness in other countries, especially the US.
The fault in this method of argumentation should be clear. In this example, the presence of corruption in developed countries is not, by itself, relevant to the question of whether Pakistanis should be concerned about corruption. The more relevant questions are, is Pakistani corruption impeding Pakistani progress? That Pakistan has progressed is still not enough to say that corruption is not a problem: could Pakistan have progressed further with stricter controls and more transparency?
April 4th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
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April 5th, 2009 at 9:55 am
To all the cynics in this thread: free tickets to hang out in peaceful western cities, such as London, and bash Pakistan openly in the public squares with all your friends. but watch out for flying fire bombs and riot police. ohhhh those riot police. ruin the day, don’t they….
Here’s the latest pictures from lovely london:
http://alchemya.com/wordpress2/?p=298
April 5th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Yes, its just a tribe. teeny weeny tribe that just happens to be asked by the UN to go into the toughest parts of the world to solve current small scale conflicts. (bet u didnt know that. the Pakistanis were the ones who went in and pulled American pilots out of harm in Somalia in the 1990’s when they were engulfed by taliban like elements there.)
lets just dump 50 years of military experience and make it sound like a little tribe with muskets. I’m willing to listen to views, but please dont generalize comments and reduce facts and think that such comments will be quietly accepted. i dont think this could be explained unless one has already done some basic groundwork , but tribal victories and dishonoring taliban fights in the eyes of their own regional people is what will stop them and the Army(ies) know this. Constitutionally, the FATA area was given to these tribes as a near autonomous region, and till recently the governance formula seemed to have worked decently.
I would trust in the actions of any army that has seen and dealt with such elements for over 30 years. I would not use western mass media , or even -any- local or regional media as a barometer to quantify their success or failure. I am quite sure no government or army in any country does that, and I dont think most people would either.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:40 am
as a last note, every other month i hear about how Pakistan has problems that will cause it to fail. But we have gone from importing clothes and cars to exporting high quality fabrics and clothing to everyone from Walmart, Ikea to Macy’s. And car parts to Toyota globally. Pakistani music is headed global and the US border patrol buys our UAV technology for their own recon. tasks.
IBM ranks Pakistan as a high growth economy, which is probably why they hired so many people and got bigger offices. Inbox builds computers locally and is growing atleast 20% year on year. Pakistan is home to one of the largest milk production facilities in the world, a Nestle investment. Can you imagine the supply chain behind that?
Every other person has a cellphone. I know of a project in Pakistan that is funded that is helping build a car like the Nano in India. I can go on, for pages, but i think the cynics would then demand that there is something wrong with this picture too.
On the taliban:
This is a war, and Pakistan, once again, will sacrifice, so the world may stay orderly and relatively pain-free. Make no mistake, The taliban -will- get their ass kicked in Pakistan.They already are and getting caught too, which means they are getting sloppy….This is not a weak country destroyed by a super power like Afganistan was in the 80s. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They dont want to fight Americans in Afganistan and they are getting their ass kicked in Pakistan. Expect some of them to lash out, its natural to try and survive.
The exit strategy F*ck up in Afganistan in the late 80’s was probably the single biggest mistake that caused all of this Taliban crap to happen….
http://102minutes.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/and-then-we-fucked-up-the-endgame/
April 7th, 2009 at 7:22 am
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April 8th, 2009 at 4:38 am
I’m not sure I detected any hate in Gorki’s polite comment, Amir Raza. Your comment seems more like the illogical hateful variety.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
An excellent article, techlahore. If allowed, I wish to publish it whole on http://www.doodhpattiblogs.com
April 11th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Thank you. Completely agree. Pakistan Zindabad!
May 7th, 2009 at 1:48 am
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June 12th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Like many others I appreciate what you wrote. And like many others I believe that we are destined to become a power in the world ups and downs notwithstanding. What worries me is our naivety and gullibility especially when somebody spews negativity or tries to charm us into disbelieving in ourselves. I also appreciate your reply to the Indian guy. Indians are mischief mongers and they are bent on our destruction. They have succeeded in infiltrating the media in Pakistan, they have also pockets of influence in the so-called ethnic parties and are peddling the idea of going back to India (Allah forbid) or a south Asian union in the garb of economics. They don’t want an independent strong Pakistan asserting its essence. Our natural roots are in Central Asia and the Middle East where we can grow without the fear of being absorbed in a union headed by Hindu India. We must also know why Indians are so worried about
our aspirations for Islam and our stability. As you said rightly, we can deal with the miscreants on our “dear neighbor’s” payroll. We must also know why the Americans are worried about our desire to be ourselves. Indians are writing all over the world against Pakistan prodding America to scuttle Pakistan and glamorizing India. Why should we give them our platform like yours to distort reality and further Indian interests in the name of friendship and economic cooperation. One Indian letter was enough and you answered him well. Wake up Pakistan. There is no choice for us but to rise for we can do it.
We need your kind of positivity and your kind of people to believe in ourselves. May you live long. tarikjan
June 14th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Thank you, Tarik. Much appreciated.
July 7th, 2009 at 4:40 am
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February 6th, 2010 at 2:54 am
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Keep up the good work.
Thank You!
February 6th, 2010 at 3:59 am
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